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some traditional Japanese inns in the mountains offer meat of various animals, like wild bear (i think it's black bear), wild boar, wild deer, domesticated horse and maybe something else. how do you all feel about that?
would you feel comfortable, not in terms of whether you can eat or not, but in more ethical sense? just curious to know what your take on this.
would you feel comfortable, not in terms of whether you can eat or not, but in more ethical sense? just curious to know what your take on this.
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culinary ethics abroad
Fri, March 5, 2004 - 5:28 PMWhen I was in Korea I gave some thought to this general idea, as the dog meat thing was an issue. Since I was visiting a particularly culinarily adventurous friend, I sat him down and made it very clear that I would eat almost anything, but NOT dog, and if he thought for even a moment about "surprising" me, then our 13-year friendship would hang in the balance.
I don't really make any ethical judgements in this regard - I *personally* find eating dogs or cats repugnant, because I was raised in that kind of a culture. I understand that other cultures see it differently, and would not go so far as to participate in a boycott or protest like those that occurred around Korea's hosting of the Olympics and World Cup.
For me, the ethical debate should be directed toward those people who insist on pushing or even tricking people who have stated personal or cultural issues with particular kinds of meat. I have, on *numerous* occasions, witnessed people trying to cajole Hindus into eating beef, or Muslims to eat pork (or vegetarians to eat any kind of meat). "They're in America now," is the usual, extremely offensive, excuse when called on the carpet. I'd like to drag those people out to the Australian outback and watch them eat some nice fat grubs. Hey buddy, you're in Australia now. -
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Re: culinary ethics abroad
Sun, March 7, 2004 - 7:43 PMIn 1995 on a whirlwind tour of south China, I was told only Guizhou and Guangdong provinces ate dog. In Guiyang we got the surprised guide (French-speaking, they were out of English) to take us somewhere for dog. This turned out to be a private house with a guy scrubbing Fido floating in a tub on the sidewalk. The dog fondue was delicious and tasted closest to pork. The driver asked our religion and was pleased to hear we were allowed to eat anything.
I was in Beijing in November and counted four restaurants with signs advertising dog meat. So much for just two provinces. Beijing is preparing like crazy for the 2008 Olympics but hiding the dog restaurants doesn't seem to be on the agenda yet.
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Re: Japanese mountain blessings
Tue, March 9, 2004 - 12:02 AMIt almost seems better to eat these meats that you described than to be eating what is provided by the corporate meat industry- Ever drive by the feed lot near Colfax on interstate 5? Is this type of meat good? -
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Re: Japanese mountain blessings
Tue, March 9, 2004 - 6:47 PMthat's definitely one way to look at it, and i totally agree, given that consumption of these wild animals isn't a norm but considered as special and perhaps rare.
wild animals can be consumed in small amount, and i think many Japanese inns serve them in a small amount anyway, like three pieces of bite-size meat. these are hunters' food and livelihood, and i don't think Japanese hunters think their prey as "game" like Westerners do.
also, add wild duck to the list... -
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Re: Japanese mountain blessings
Tue, March 9, 2004 - 10:10 PMThat's good that they serve small portions but I heard that there has been a sharp increase in heart attacks in Japan. I think that our meat consumtion with lack of excersise way of life is trying to take root in Japan. Hopefully the hunters over there won't start viewing thier livelihood as game or become to commercial.......... -
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Asians choosing fat over fad as dietary habits undergo heavy change
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Re: Asians choosing fat over fad as dietary habits undergo heavy change
Wed, March 10, 2004 - 5:59 PMSad reading- except for American corporations. I like the line that said (paraphrasing) as countries get richer they diversify their diets. Is that true? Look at our diets- fat, sugar, partionally hydrogenated oil, and food coloring- oh yeah flour.
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Re: Japanese mountain blessings
Sun, March 14, 2004 - 9:21 AMI had a kind of odd experience, sort of the opposite of the "I won't eat dog, it's a pet" reaction, in New Zealand, where it's illegal for restaurants to serve wild animals at all, but farmed venison is a very common item in restaurants. I was unexpectedly squicked by the idea of eating a deer that had been standing around in a feedlot.
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Re: Japanese mountain blessings
Sun, March 14, 2004 - 9:17 AMHarris Ranch? It's actually not bad, as these things go. Although as a Californian, I'm awfully amused that we have a resort/feedlot. That's gotta be one of the weirdest combinations in the world.
You might check out Orville Schell's (now dean of the UC Berkeley journalism school) excellent book _Modern Meat_ if you're interested in the health aspects of agribusiness-raised meat. He and his brother were partners in the Nieman-Schell Ranch at the time, now Nieman Ranch, which supplies most of the better and more health-conscious restaurants in Northern California.
www.amazon.com/exec/obido...238-7980616
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Re: Japanese mountain blessings
Mon, March 15, 2004 - 2:59 AMim confused... where did harris ranch come in to play with this thread? -
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Re: Japanese mountain blessings
Mon, March 15, 2004 - 6:18 PM
> where did harris ranch come in to play with this thread?
Look at the post I replied to. It asked:
"Ever drive by the feed lot near Colfax on interstate 5?
Is this type of meat good?" -
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Re: Japanese mountain blessings
Wed, March 17, 2004 - 4:12 AMah... took me a minute but i found it.
yeah, i dig harris ranch, but i always just buy thier pastries, never had thier meat. thier tarts and pull apart bread is great!
its always a stop of mine when traveling back and forth between here (southern cali) to tahoe.
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Re: Japanese mountain blessings
Thu, March 11, 2004 - 2:36 PMim open to eating just about anything while traveling. as for wild meats i would probably prefer them to traditional meats, especially if its presented and done in a ceremonial blessing sort of manner.